tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post760086461313968772..comments2023-11-05T22:39:34.996+10:30Comments on Classic Theology New: Just How Plain is the ‘Plain Sense’ of Scripture?Warren Huffahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06641632471131333680noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-27791997041583469052009-04-15T08:41:00.000+09:302009-04-15T08:41:00.000+09:30Hi Stephen
Not only can there be no plain sense wi...Hi Stephen<br />Not only can there be no plain sense without community, there can be no reading of any kind without a community of readers. But that point aside, you have touched on the reason why I think Rowan Williams' approach is to be preferred over that of Tanner. Her perspective is heavily indebted to sociology and I think that in an environment where there exists multiple communities, eachPhillipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-53771887759145771572009-04-14T18:00:00.000+09:302009-04-14T18:00:00.000+09:30Philip,
Just wanted to say now that I've had a ch...Philip,<br /><br />Just wanted to say now that I've had a chance to sit and read this paper that it puts into context so well the "plain sense" in the sense that there can be no "plain sense" without community.<br /><br />I wonder though if this does not bring us back in the Anglican Communion to the point of defining if we are many communities or one community? It really leads us to the positionStephen James Bloorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13445573957846566091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-18377503744291065882009-03-28T14:28:00.000+10:302009-03-28T14:28:00.000+10:30I would suggest that Tony has given us a good exam...I would suggest that Tony has given us a good example of how the "plain reading" changes with time and understanding.<BR/>In stating those things we all might agree on he offers the following:<BR/><I>"First, let me say that I think the Bible is clear (plain sense) that God loves all people, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, etc. I don't think anyone would want to argue that there are Stephan Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-19548424029944841132009-03-28T06:02:00.000+10:302009-03-28T06:02:00.000+10:30Advocates of the perspicuity of Scripture have nev...Advocates of the perspicuity of Scripture have never suggested that clarity equals transparency. This is a point that Mark Thompson is at pains to point out in his recent book on the clarity of Scripture. The question is not whether Scripture is totally clear, but whether it's sufficiently clear. If it is, then lack of total understanding is not problematic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-82692375907136812442009-03-27T23:28:00.000+10:302009-03-27T23:28:00.000+10:30Hmm, just to clarify. When I said ..."However ther...Hmm, just to clarify. When I said ...<BR/><BR/>"However there are many other things that are more difficult to understand, and that I think we may never understand fully or agree on fully, like the Trinity for example!"<BR/><BR/>I was thinking particularly that we don't fully understand the Trinity, rather than that we don't fully agree on the Trinity. However the issue of whether or not Tony Nichollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06513889561892326658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-60095247869160693812009-03-27T21:24:00.000+10:302009-03-27T21:24:00.000+10:30Possibly! The variety of interpretations regarding...Possibly! The variety of interpretations regarding who has sex with whom seems of a secondary order to whether the being of God can be split from the persons. The second is the hermeneutical lens through which we read all of Scripture. (See the summary of Jenson's comments regarding the Shekinah and Exile, and how he says this is a plain reading of Scripture; lecture five in the previous comment Warren Huffahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06641632471131333680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-47439848555144643242009-03-27T21:19:00.000+10:302009-03-27T21:19:00.000+10:30This is good timing; a summary of some lectures fr...This is good timing; a summary of some lectures from Jenson on Scripoture, and Scripture and the regula fidei<BR/><BR/>http://cruciality.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/robert-jenson-the-2009-burns-lectures-on-%E2%80%98the-regula-fidei-and-scripture%E2%80%99/Warren Huffahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06641632471131333680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-32357208528405298892009-03-27T21:02:00.000+10:302009-03-27T21:02:00.000+10:30Hey, you're the one who started a debate about whe...Hey, you're the one who started a debate about whether or not the Son is eternally subordinate to the Father. Will that count as a disagreement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-5302385536462995142009-03-27T20:42:00.000+10:302009-03-27T20:42:00.000+10:30So what in the doctrine of the Trinity do we disag...So what in the doctrine of the Trinity do we disagree about?Warren Huffahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06641632471131333680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-78044227927643227942009-03-27T16:24:00.000+10:302009-03-27T16:24:00.000+10:30Hi Tony,Firstly, in reference to cultural conditio...Hi Tony,<BR/>Firstly, in reference to cultural conditioning - don't feel too badly about being culturally conditioned, it happens to all of us. But now to address some of the other points you've raised.<BR/>1. You think it plainly true that God loves all people and that we are commanded to love all people. I agree with you. But an interesting question to ponder is just how this principle on whichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-58291842497308745172009-03-27T11:17:00.000+10:302009-03-27T11:17:00.000+10:30(laughs) Isn't it ironic that we are talking about...(laughs) Isn't it ironic that we are talking about 'plain sense', and we can't even understand the plain sense of each other's posts.<BR/><BR/>I didn't realise that my initial comment could be taken to mean that I had trouble reading your post Phillip. On the contrary, I was able to read your post with no trouble. My problem was in understanding your post. I gained a sense of what you were sayingTony Nichollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06513889561892326658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-44094509147161676662009-03-27T09:25:00.001+10:302009-03-27T09:25:00.001+10:30Hi Tony,Warren's going to try and fix the post so ...Hi Tony,<BR/><BR/>Warren's going to try and fix the post so that it's readable. All strength to his arm! In the event that's not possible, I'm happy to e-mail a copy of my paper to you. The essence of what I'm saying in the paper is that while the plain sense has been a consistent hermeneutic, there have been variations as to how it actually works. That was the purpose of looking at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-73872545737113698432009-03-27T09:25:00.000+10:302009-03-27T09:25:00.000+10:30Hi Tony,Warren's going to try and fix the post so ...Hi Tony,<BR/><BR/>Warren's going to try and fix the post so that it's readable. All strength to his arm! In the event that's not possible, I'm happy to e-mail a copy of my paper to you. The essence of what I'm saying in the paper is that while the plain sense has been a consistent hermeneutic, there have been variations as to how it actually works. That was the purpose of looking at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-6427656183780422462009-03-27T09:12:00.000+10:302009-03-27T09:12:00.000+10:30Thanks for your thoughts Phillip.I must admit to f...Thanks for your thoughts Phillip.<BR/><BR/>I must admit to finding it difficult to follow much of your article. However I do want to contribute to the discussion on 'plain sense' ...<BR/><BR/>As has been noted and hinted at various places in this Blog Conference so far, the presenting issue in the current GAC (Global Anglican Crisis) is often sexuality, or in particular homosexuality. And the Tony Nichollshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06513889561892326658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5013339306349204192.post-9446061523089570262009-03-27T06:13:00.000+10:302009-03-27T06:13:00.000+10:30Apologies to all. Warren, is there a way of fixing...Apologies to all. Warren, is there a way of fixing this so that it's readable, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com